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get any dates because you've basically taught them to run around dressed like a maniac cursing at women.

That does not work.

They'll realize that you're screwing them, right?

That you've lied to them and that none of this stuff is real.

And this brings us to the website puahate.com.

PUA hate stands for pickup artist hate.

It was launched in 2009 by several disaffected members of the pickup artist community.

These were not people who had offered coaching classes, but these were people who were paying for them, right?

And they'd gotten fed up and realized they'd been taken advantage of.

So they start this website.

And they announced their new forum, I found like in the Wayback Machine, the very first like page on that website was like a this new forum will be up Sunday or sooner thing with a spatter of blood underneath it, right?

Before the forum's active, like that's the little header that they put on the internet to like tell people that it's coming.

Which like at the time, maybe you would have noticed there were a lot of websites that young men and gamers use that would just have random blood spatters on them.

You know, in the early 2000s, a lot of forums did shit like this.

But given what comes out of POAHate.com, it's hard not to see it as like this kind of foreboding message about what was coming later.

Now, per the Wayback Machine, the actual forum launches a couple of days later in late 2009.

And the landing page features a common JPEG of a man in a suit flipping the bird and then a content warning that says adult content and not safe for work.

You know, don't view this if you're under 21.

And you have the option to enter the forum or leave the website.

Those who chose to enter saw an advertisement for the Barry Kirkey radio show, which was a, I think, now defunct podcast that mocked the seduction community, which is what pick up