Part One: From Elliott Rodger to Clavicular: The Story of Incel Evolution
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What led to the rise of incel culture?
Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast that has just suffered yet again the indignity of a major technical malfunction.
And right at the point, the day after we got approval from Netflix to stream full video episodes worldwide. Minus Korea and Vietnam. I'm so sorry. I have no idea why.
Sorry, guys. I can't influence Netflix policy on Vietnam, but at least we're on everywhere now. We're on everywhere now. Except Korea and Vietnam. Yeah, except for Korea and Vietnam. Unfortunately, my camera's not working right, so we had to use the webcam on my laptop, which does not look as good, which will also not change how 90% of people experience this podcast because it is an audio medium. Why even attach visuals to it?
No one knows. To be fair, buddy, I think you look fine.
Thanks, Sophie.
How did the Isla Vista shooting impact the perception of incels?
I think you look great. Kat thinks you look great.
You know who looks great is our guest, Kat Abu. Kat, how are you doing? Welcome back. I'm good. And now I go by my full government name, Kat Abu Ghazali. You're right, because you're running for Congress.
Because I'm running for Congress.
I have to call you something different now.
Kat, you want to give a little PSA plug for the campaign up top?
I would love to. Hi, everyone. I'm Kat. I'm running for Congress in the 9th District of Illinois.
What is the significance of Clavicular in the incel community?
That goes from Uptown Chicago up to Evanston, over to Skokie, all the way to Algonquin and Crystal Lake. It is gerrymandered to hell. And I'm trying to represent you. I am one of the top three viable candidates in this race. Election Day is March 17th. I'm the only one of those three people that has not met with or submitted a position paper to AIPAC. We are... The only campaign in this race funded by small dollar donations. I have a cat named Heater. She's orange. And yeah, that's kind of my thing. Oh, and I covered the far right as a researcher and journalist. You might have heard me here before when my microphone was dog shit. Yes. Now your microphone's better and you're running for Congress.
How did incel terminology spread into mainstream culture?
And listeners, Kat's my friend. And Sophie's my friend.
And our friend. Okay, you're also included. I get to jink on there. Yeah, Robert and I took so many shots of Malort together at the Onion launch party. Oh, God. Oh, Malort. I was like, I bet I can do more than you, and I did, and it's the only time I've ever even somewhat blacked out besides literally being drugged by someone unconsensually.
That was like drinking liquid bandage. It was crazy. It was awful.
We're going to describe it as spicy WD-40. Yeah. That does prove your rightfulness for the spot that you're seeking is your ability to win the Malort contest.
What is the connection between incels and the pickup artist community?
That party was wild. And then you were like, Sophie, come with me to the other bar. And we drank something good. I don't remember what it was. It was like something.
I don't remember.
I just had like five shots of Malort. And then Ben took me and just like his standard intro. I remember because it was so fucking funny. His standard intro to me to people whose names I don't remember. This is Sophie. She's the future. The funniest way to introduce somebody. That's how I also talk about you. Thank you so much.
How do incels categorize attractiveness and their own worth?
Yeah, that's how I do too, honestly. And then we went up to Chex Notes' Don Lemon. And he's like, hi, Don Lemon. This is Sophie. She's the future.
That was so weird.
I remember being like, let's get a picture together. I was like, this is all on you, man. Wow. I just really enjoyed Robert taking a picture of our young Garrison with Don Lemon with full flat.
Yeah, we got to turn it off. Welcome to Behind the Bastards, a podcast where we talk about a time where we were at a party with Don Lemon and drank too much velour. And just fucking blinded his ass with my, I have one of these huge Chinese phones that look at the fucking light on the back of this. This thing's flash goes off like a federal flashbang. Like Bortak guys don't have flashbangs this intense.
What psychological factors contribute to incel ideology?
I'm crying a little bit. Normally if I'm crying on this podcast, it's because of something heinous Robert has told me, but it's really just.
Oh, I'll make you cry. Don't worry. We'll all be crying before this is over.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What led to the rise of incel culture?
0:00–0:58
2
How did the Isla Vista shooting impact the perception of incels?
0:58–1:23
3
What is the significance of Clavicular in the incel community?
1:23–1:58
4
How did incel terminology spread into mainstream culture?
1:58–2:37
5
What is the connection between incels and the pickup artist community?
2:37–3:10
6
How do incels categorize attractiveness and their own worth?
3:10–4:04
7
What psychological factors contribute to incel ideology?
4:04–4:54
8
How does the episode conclude on the future of incel culture?
4:54–1:16:57