Robert

For one, the early 2000s also see the rise of the men's rights movement.

This happens alongside pickup artistry.

And a lot of early men's rights activists are either former pickup artists or like other people who are kind of dissatisfied with what they actually get out of pickup artistry.

The MRA toxic subculture starts with these – it starts with a lot of complaints about on the surface what seem like reasonable issues.

Like guys, if they're giving you the elevator pitch for men's rights, we'll be like, well, single fathers have all of these different legal problems if they're trying to pursue custody, right?

And some people will be like, oh, well, maybe they're talking about a real issue.

All this stuff is just a comment for hating women and wanting to take away women's rights.

Like if you actually get into what these people are saying, it's not –

I want to be treated more fairly by the courts.

I don't think women should have checkbooks.

And I don't think my wife should have been able to leave me, right?

Fantasies of violence and murder are common with MRA content.

And around the same time, so this is bubbling up through the early 2000s into the aughts.

And at the same time, the incel community has kept evolving, right?

After 1997, it's continued to change.

You know, Alana leaves around 2000.

And so per an article published in the Journal of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, by the 2000s, incels began to inhabit spinoff forums such as Love Shy and incel support.

Love Shy, with a more relaxed content moderation policy, began to house the more extreme elements of the growing movement.

And Alana had noticed from the start there were some men who didn't seem to realize that women were people.

That becomes more common.