Robin Bailey

No, I think there was probably a bit of fear.

Because most breakfast shows are upbeat.

Well, that's showbiz.

There's no people like show people.

They smile when they are down.

That's the thing.

When you were waking in the morning and when you were leaving the house and you were leaving the boys, how was that?

I'm struck by the power of suicide, that it throws ripples into the pond, different ripples than the normal death, which, like you said, we're not societally equipped to have these rituals with it, but we are familiar with it.

Suicide seems like it almost leaves the people behind to do the work.

Of course, but you're always looking.

That's the nature of, because humans are only life and death.

That's all we have.

Yeah, that's it.

So if someone has opted out of life and chosen death, those remaining have to ask why.

You not only did that for Tony, like you've presented him as a very well-rounded human, but you also do, you put the blowtorch on yourself.

And there's a chapter, this was the first chapter, I think, that when I was reading this book and I went, whew.

Do you know what chapter I'm going to talk about?

Are you talking about the affair?

The affair.

Oh, my goodness.