Robin Carhart-Harris

And this was very much the framing that got put forward and seemed to decisively shape this person's experience.

This person came away thinking, okay, they have recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse with the aid of this compound.

But their initial experience was much more equivocal than that.

I mean, they were uncertain as to whether this was a memory or they were imagining it.

And they were then in the presence of a therapist who had very strong ideas about what was likely or almost certain to be true.

All of that worries me, given what I believe about, you know, what we know about the certainly the the recovered memory under hypnosis theory.

legacy.

I mean, I'm fairly aware of that phenomenon and of how so many witnesses were led to believe things that in many cases almost certainly didn't happen.

What are your thoughts about quality control with respect to therapists and just how we can build a culture that does no harm while giving people the support that they need?

Yeah, it's a biggie.

It's certainly a biggie.

So not knowing the specifics of that case, but responding to how you relay it, it sounds like bad practice in terms of a therapist coming in and transferring, in a sense, their assumptions, their beliefs, their perspective onto the tender, opened heart.

of a vulnerable individual.

Cases of alleged recovered memory in this space are prevalent.

It's happened in our trials.

It's happened in other major sites.

Hopkins, I know they've had this.

Let me just be clear on one thing, lest I be misunderstood.

I don't think this never happens or is never, in fact, veridical, right?

I think it's possible to remember something for the first time that you experienced in early childhood.