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Rogé Karma

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Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

So- I've heard of that one.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

Yes, yes, you might've heard of it.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

I think when most people think of the unemployment rate, they think of, oh, this is just the percentage of people who don't have a job.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

That isn't quite true.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

So the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the way they calculate the unemployment rate

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

is they actually try to take out people who have not looked for a job in the last four weeks.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

So if you haven't looked for a job in the past month, you are removed from the dataset.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

Why do they do that?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

Well, there are a lot of people who don't want a job, students, retirees, stay-at-home parents.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

Those are the kinds of people that you don't want to include in this dataset because it wouldn't give you as accurate a snapshot of the labor force.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

The problem is that that move, that methodological move, also excludes people who would otherwise want a job

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

but have given up looking for one.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

So this was a big thing that happened after the Great Recession.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

They were actually, after the Great Recession, the unemployment rate recovered pretty quickly, but then economists went and they noticed, wait a minute, the reason it recovered so quickly is actually because a lot of people were so discouraged that they stopped looking for work altogether, and so they actually dropped out of the dataset and made the unemployment rate artificially look better.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

There was a recent analysis by the economists Adam Azamek and Nathan Goldschlag at the Economic Innovation Group that basically found that a very similar thing is happening here, and it completely changes how we think about this question of young people and AI.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

So what the EIG folks found is that basically, again, like the story of the Great Recession,

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

What has been happening over the last couple of years is you've had huge numbers of young people without college degrees dropping out of the labor force, basically giving up looking for work.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

And what that basically means, it's the labor market equivalent of the worst performing students not showing up on standardized test day.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

All of a sudden, the score, the unemployment rate looks a lot better.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

It looks a lot lower for young people without degrees, but that's only because a bunch of the students stopped showing up.