Roger Frampton

Do you find that difficult?

Yeah, I love that And it sounds difficult

And as you get the same thing with like mindful eating and just actually like, like literally tasting the flavor.

It's so about like trying to do a million things.

Like when I came down here, I was driving and listened to a podcast and, you know, I'm thinking about this and that.

And, you know, my brain is quickly doing, you know, multiple things constantly, like all the time.

And so.

It's just how it is these days.

But in a practice, at least, of training, is a time where you could just work with your body and just be with it.

Like, take the AirPods out, take the phone away, and just feel, feel.

And listen, listen, listen.

Your body was going to tell you so much.

toes in the thing oh like the well the vibram fingers you know the ones i mean right yeah that look like gloves yeah i couldn't wear those because it would kill my achilles almost immediately okay which you don't want to which you don't want to i don't want to again you don't want to do anything that causes pain if you're wearing someone says like this thing is the best thing you could possibly do and you do it and you're you're feeling pain it's just an owner

Well, there's a flip side to it, which is we live in a world of concrete and harder surfaces.

Yeah, if you were brought up around grass and soil, right, or if you went to see indigenous culture, they'd be confused as to why you're wearing shoes.

They're just going to be wandering around and their feet are perfectly capable, even more structurally than your hands.

And you'll literally see their feet are just freaking like...

It's ridiculous, right?

And our feet are all bent and twisted because we just wear fashionable shoes that squash our toes, literally squash our toes together.

And, you know, it starts for many, many years.