Roisin Ingle

You talk about secret weddings in Iraq and like even celebrating Valentine's Day can be punishable by death.

So in places like that, just the difficulty and the challenge of having what we would consider just normal romantic relationships, it's unbelievable.

Tell us a bit about Iraq and those kind of places.

I know this is very dangerous, but it also sounds quite romantic.

It's back with a vengeance.

Sally, you've been to so many different places reporting and you've won so many awards.

I'm always like every year at the Journalism Awards, Sally Hayden, it's amazing and you deserve it all.

I'm just really would love to hear a little bit about why you made that decision to kind of be away and be in these various places and what it is that motivates you in terms of telling those stories.

I know it's changed.

I know you have you talk about being a bit disillusioned about the impact you can have, but clearly you're somebody who wants to go to places where it's

really important to tell people's stories, because otherwise they might not get out, you know?

When you're away, you don't hear that.

So obviously, because they're not published.

It's nice for you to get that feedback.

But it's 12 years since you first went to Rwanda.

When you think back then, I mean, arriving there and reporting there, it must feel very different now, obviously.

And how was that experience, that very first kind of experience of being somewhere like that and reporting from far away?

That was a really interesting instinct you had, Sally, actually, to make that, because you get the money for your idea to make it stretch as far as it could go and really immerse yourself when you could have just gone in for a week, right?

Stayed in really nice places and gone back and written up your piece.

Where did that instinct come from, do you think?