Roman Mars

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99% Invisible was reported this week by Kelly Prime and edited by Vivian Leigh.

Mixed by Brendan Burns.

Music by Swan Real and George Langford.

Fact-checking by Graham Haysha.

Special thanks this week to Richard Dunn, Rebecca Higgett, Trevor Newman, and Terry Hiran.

Kathy Tu is our executive producer.

Kurt Kolstad is the digital director.

Delaney Hall is our senior editor.

The rest of the team includes Chris Berube, Jason DeLeon, Emmett Fitzgerald, Martine Gonzalez, Christopher Johnson, Lashima Dawn, Joe Rosenberg, Jacob Medina-Gleason, Talon and Rain Stradley, and me, Roman Mars.

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This is the 99% Invisible Breakdown of the Constitution.

I'm Roman Mars.

Today, we are discussing Article 4, which talks about the relationship between the states and between the states and the federal government.

We're also skipping ahead a bit and adding the Tenth Amendment to this conversation because that also talks about the states.

Our guest for this episode is California Attorney General Rob Bonta.