Ron Rudson

But the White House says the president considers the Institute to be, quote, one of his agencies, unquote. And it says the Institute employees are rogue bureaucrats. As for the pushback from Congress, well, the Republican Party controls both House and Senate, and it's been very much on board for Trump and so far at least for Elon Musk as well.

But the White House says the president considers the Institute to be, quote, one of his agencies, unquote. And it says the Institute employees are rogue bureaucrats. As for the pushback from Congress, well, the Republican Party controls both House and Senate, and it's been very much on board for Trump and so far at least for Elon Musk as well.

The Democrats, meanwhile, are debating how to resist Trump without making bad things happen like a government shutdown and how to resist without doing damage to their own interests and those of their voters.

The Democrats, meanwhile, are debating how to resist Trump without making bad things happen like a government shutdown and how to resist without doing damage to their own interests and those of their voters.

The Democrats, meanwhile, are debating how to resist Trump without making bad things happen like a government shutdown and how to resist without doing damage to their own interests and those of their voters.

Thank you, Sarah.

Thank you, Sarah.

Thank you, Sarah.

Good to be with you, Scott.

Good to be with you, Scott.

Good to be with you, Scott.

It's been sold that way, like it's Trump siding with his cabinet over Musk. But if you listen to that clip we just heard, it still seems that Musk gets to come along batting clean up and deciding whether the cabinet secretaries and other Senate-confirmed officials have done enough. So who decides what's enough? Is it Musk or is it Trump himself? And do we know whether that's really a difference?

It's been sold that way, like it's Trump siding with his cabinet over Musk. But if you listen to that clip we just heard, it still seems that Musk gets to come along batting clean up and deciding whether the cabinet secretaries and other Senate-confirmed officials have done enough. So who decides what's enough? Is it Musk or is it Trump himself? And do we know whether that's really a difference?

It's been sold that way, like it's Trump siding with his cabinet over Musk. But if you listen to that clip we just heard, it still seems that Musk gets to come along batting clean up and deciding whether the cabinet secretaries and other Senate-confirmed officials have done enough. So who decides what's enough? Is it Musk or is it Trump himself? And do we know whether that's really a difference?

The New York Times reporters Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan have reported that there have been clashes between Musk and members of the cabinet, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, both of whom were reported to have been scolded by Musk for not cutting enough and for having too many DEI hires still working for their departments.

The New York Times reporters Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan have reported that there have been clashes between Musk and members of the cabinet, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, both of whom were reported to have been scolded by Musk for not cutting enough and for having too many DEI hires still working for their departments.

The New York Times reporters Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan have reported that there have been clashes between Musk and members of the cabinet, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, both of whom were reported to have been scolded by Musk for not cutting enough and for having too many DEI hires still working for their departments.

Yes, that's right. It's not a clear liability yet, at least not for Republicans in Congress, because as we saw on Tuesday night at the State of the Union, Musk is still a hero to Trump fans, both in Congress and beyond. Musk still polls well among Trump supporters. But the Musk stock may have seen its peak, Scott. We will see how the cuts to Veterans Affairs staffing, for example, go down.

Yes, that's right. It's not a clear liability yet, at least not for Republicans in Congress, because as we saw on Tuesday night at the State of the Union, Musk is still a hero to Trump fans, both in Congress and beyond. Musk still polls well among Trump supporters. But the Musk stock may have seen its peak, Scott. We will see how the cuts to Veterans Affairs staffing, for example, go down.

Yes, that's right. It's not a clear liability yet, at least not for Republicans in Congress, because as we saw on Tuesday night at the State of the Union, Musk is still a hero to Trump fans, both in Congress and beyond. Musk still polls well among Trump supporters. But the Musk stock may have seen its peak, Scott. We will see how the cuts to Veterans Affairs staffing, for example, go down.