Ron

Aaron Rods after 10-6.

Jordan Love at 13-3.

Lamar Jackson after winning season.

Jalen Hurst after winning season.

Russell Wilson, they were 7-9, but they made the playoffs.

So it's about how well you draft.

And develop.

Not how much you lose.

And one of my last comments, and I really appreciate you guys letting me talk, is...

The Steelers, as we know it, foundationally, were built because they had the greatest draft in NFL history and then later on picked up a Terry Bradshaw and a Ben Roethlisberger.

I would contend... Well, earlier they picked up Terry Bradshaw, yeah.

The other quarterbacks may have been able to take the Steelers to some of those Super Bowls with that great draft they had in 1974.

So I think Rudy can't dismiss...

how important the draft is as he continues to try to have this tradition.

This team was built on a great draft, not necessarily consistency from year to year to year to year.

So if he's trying to hold on to 9-8, that's not what this team was built on, in my opinion.

I believe it was built on consistency.

oddly a great draft, which you can't continue to get every year.

So now you have to be willing to Joe's point to lose every now and then in order to get better.

But I will split the baby and say, I don't think you have to go to the bottom in order to get a good draft pick.