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Ronan Farrow

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The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

I will say at the outset of this reporting, I was not myself convinced of the, you know, much ballyhooed transformative impact of this technology.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

I really emerged from this more convinced.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

There's the scenarios that I think you're alluding to, right?

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

The atom bomb-esque ones.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

The idea that this really could lead to a kind of Terminator Skynet scenario where a rogue artificial intelligence falls out of alignment with what we want and takes control of nukes.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

But you don't have to buy into those extreme scenarios to also see the immediate impact that the entire U.S.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

economy is now propped up by a few companies that are all in on AI, with open AI at the center of it, that most credible projections –

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

very immediately foresee millions of jobs being exposed to disruption by this, that it's already taking form as a significant change agent in the way weapons are used in battlefields, that they can now just fire without human operators.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

That is something in the very immediate future.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

It's taking form in bioweapon development.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

These are all things that are happening or on the verge of happening, not far off fantasies.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

Well, it started out as a nonprofit.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And this is really at the heart of the story.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

This is a distinction that Elon Musk is now suing Sam Altman and OpenAI over.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

So at the very beginning, Sam Altman, who had a lot of irons on the fire, right?

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

He was investing in a lot of different cutting-edge areas.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And AI became a fascination.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

He saw the industry moving towards that.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And an interesting thing happened where he had been very optimistic about technology in general.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

But he, I think, saw an inflection point, according to people we talked to who were in conversations with him at the time and knew his thinking, where a lot of the leaders in the industry were becoming more apocalyptic about it.

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