Ronan Mullen

Plus the PIF have...

are taking money away, like the money that they used to put into sport, including boxing, one of the main beneficiaries.

A bit of a, what did I call it?

A bit of evasion there at the very start.

Misdirection.

And then bang.

And I tell you, if the lads from The Overlap, by the way, haven't clipped that up and they don't lead with this on Thursday whenever it comes out, they're

What's the point of podcasts?

I feel sorry for Mick McCarthy in so far as I think that this has haunted him since 2002 in a way that he doesn't often publicly portray.

I don't know how it doesn't because the whole mishandling of the situation at the time invariably comes down on the head of the manager and everything else.

And Roy Keane, for all the sort of impetuousness of what he did, people kind of forgive him because he's this tortured genius and all the rest of it.

I kind of just think that Mick doesn't have very many days when somebody doesn't

at least look at him and think about the whole Roy Kane thing.

And that's just why I'm surprised that he's basically decided to spark this up again, because we all know what's going to happen.

Well, hopefully what's going to happen when the overlap lads finally return.

What was the, like, what's the immediate context before it, do we know?

Do we have any sources?

And he was almost just a bit like... I wonder if that's kind of in the ether a little bit with him and he's almost a bit like... Yeah, maybe he's gotten to the stage where the idea of being sensitive around the issue or being...

Yeah, I did an interview with him recently enough.

And when I say I started getting towards all of that, I wasn't even close nor near what he can kind of feel it.