Rory Stewart

Are we becoming much, much more...

I'm with you.

I'm with you because I'm, I disagree with the democratic front because I was talking yesterday to one of the great cornerstones of the US foreign policy establishment.

He was in Washington.

I was in London.

He was saying, listen, we're beginning to think, Democrats as well as Republicans, that maybe what Trump's done is not too bad.

It's encouraged Europe to stand on its own two feet and take more responsibility for security.

In the end, the noise will die down.

Actually, our alliance will be stronger because you will have spent more on defense.

It's true that you weren't spending enough on defense.

I said, you simply do not understand

how the whole world has changed.

If you really think the conclusion of all of this is we're gonna come to the end of the Trump administration and Europe and Canada and the UK will be like, our relationship with the US is stronger than ever before, we're standing on our own two feet, we're gonna be wonderful allies around the world, forget it.

But that's partly, that's what worries me, that when people say,

stop getting wound up, stop the Trump derangement syndrome.

The risk is they end up thinking we're in a normal world.

Because I believe the mayor of Lima was considered to be a real player on the right and was narrowly pushed out by Fujimori.

But there was a whole narrative that Fujimori wasn't going to make it through to the last two.

And the mayor of Lima, who was a sort of aged genius on social media, who knew how to

tell a good story was going to get rid of somebody who was compromised by her father and who'd been trying to be elected for umpteen times.