Rory Stewart

It's much, much more integrated into civilian life.

Second thing,

We talked about yesterday what's happened in the leadership change.

The Iranian people overwhelmingly detest this regime.

80-90% of the Iranian people want to see this horrible regime gone because

For almost half a century, they have been ruled by an increasingly brutal, cynical, repressive, theocratic regime.

But there isn't any credible opposition on the ground.

And so they are stuck in this horrifying situation where they're being forced to choose between a regime they hate

and American and Israeli bombs.

That's a really difficult issue because as an Iranian nationalist, you don't want either of those options.

Another thing I think that's so interesting when we talk about this is people talk about what Iranians think or Iranian public opinion, but it's a massive country of almost 100 million people.

It would be like saying, what do the British think?

Of course, as we found out with Brexit,

You could talk to one group of good British friends and they could be like, no, no, no, no, no.

You know, all these Brexiteers are maniacs.

And you talk to another group of British friends and it turns out 52% of people are voting for Brexit.

Again, if I was to, you know, let's say I was an American journalist interviewing you about Nigel Farage.

you might be a bit tempted to be like, he's an idiot, nobody likes him, nobody supports him.

But you see the basic point, that part of the problem when we're talking to Iranians is, who are you talking to?

Are you talking to somebody from a wealthier, more educated background living in a city?