Rory Stewart

I'm explaining.

So hold on, let me get this right.

You've got the bankers there, but were the big governments, the French, the Germans, did they want Greece inside the euro?

And if so, what were their reasons?

Or were they brought into the euro on conditions that they never met and probably never could meet?

And then when you became the finance minister and the bailout is happening,

Is the bailout happening to help Greece, or is the bailout happening to help the same banks that got you into the euro in the first place?

Okay, Yanis, Rory, quick break and then back for more.

But then you also had this big moment with the referendum, essentially, where the Greek people said, no, no more austerity.

We can't take any more.

It wasn't exactly that.

So they were... Under conditions of moral therapy.

They were rejecting what the Europeans were insisting that you did.

Can I just pick up on something you said earlier?

You said the reason why Europe is going down the drain is

But the crisis that you dealt with

And the global financial crisis alongside it.

Am I right that you're basically saying that that is what has in part led to the kind of global mess that we're in now?

That is partly what gave us Trump.

It's partly what gave us Brexit.