Rory Stewart

Or is it that when they report Ed Davey, actually it's almost the reverse.

It's that because of that, they're reporting Ed Davey because he's doing some weird thing, some stunt.

For the long term.

I mean, the short term, fine.

But don't you think in the long term, it's what people will remember him for, is doing jolly stunts.

And how do you then tilt from that to being the moral voice against Donald Trump?

It's quite tough, right?

Yeah, but it's not taken with the same gravitas.

It's not like, you know, Hillary Benn or Gordon Brown suddenly starts talking about Donald Trump.

Because Gordon Brown's not to be found, you know.

I think if you're trying to present yourself.

Also, you can't be a cautious, Ming-Va's, status quo, easy-as-you-go party today.

I mean, Trump is basically exploding the world.

AI is upturning politics.

all our economies on their head.

Populism is on the rise.

I mean, your only hope to survive in a world in which volcanoes are going off and earthquakes are everywhere is not to stand still and stay steady as you go, but start dancing around the lava.

Yeah.

No, Richmond's very one party state.

Bloody hell, honestly.