Rory Stewart

There were a few things we didn't get into.

I didn't get into any, we didn't really get into what it must be like.

I mean, I was involved in some pretty big

Kind of sometimes scary positions and situations and things going wrong.

But to be plucked out of kind of academic economist and you are suddenly sitting in the middle of what must have felt like kind of existential threat to your whole country.

It must have been an incredible rollercoaster.

I mean, and the thing about him having the referendum and winning and then getting out because Cyprus was so pressured into doing something that they'd fought against.

I mean, God, what a journey that must have been.

He then took them on, though.

He then took them on through the courts and I think won.

I don't know what sort of compensation he got.

He won.

But the other thing that's happening to him now, before you came on, Rory, we were chatting about the fact, again, we didn't have time to go into this, but we were chatting about the fact that he did an interview with some young ravers, as he called them,

And they asked him, and he said it's the first time he'd ever been asked whether he'd ever taken drugs.

And he said, well, he smoked pot when he was a student.

And then when he was in Australia, he was once out at some – it was a Kylie Minogue concert, and somebody gave him an ecstasy pill, and he took it, and it meant he could dance for 16 hours.

He's now been charged sort of decades later, and he said this was announced –

I mean, this makes you worry.

We had the interview with Mitsotakis.

I think we both found Mitsotakis very impressive, modern European leader.