Rory Stewart

But this was like ministers were going out on television saying that he had to be charged for promoting drug use.

And he has now been indicted.

And also, he said that he described the current government.

He said what Mitsotakis has done essentially is...

It's like Badenoch basically hoovering up reform.

Mitsotakis has given some of his far-right positions in the cabinet, including some of the positions, some of these guys that have gone out and said he should be prosecuted.

So I said to him, well, look, do you think if Badenoch or another Tory leader and Farage ended up running a coalition government after the next election here, do you think this kind of thing would happen?

He said, absolutely.

And he said, look at America.

Anyway, there we are.

I think he's a very interesting guy.

I last saw him in...

We were at the same event in Australia and he has got a bit of a kind of

He's got a global following now, partly because his books are genuinely interesting.

His techno-feudalism book is genuinely interesting.

And I think these books that he's written, you know, writing to his daughter, apparently he's really pissed off that he styled the whole book as a letter to her without actually telling her he was doing it.

And then one to his father, as you said.

And he's now written a book also about the five most important women in his life and what he learned from them.

So he's got an interesting kind of quirky...

academic, economic mind.