Rory Stewart

Let me now do the boring thing.

of playing the devil's advocate, right?

Because obviously we agree on this stuff.

We were both remain voters.

We both think it was the wrong thing to do and Britain would have been better off in the European Union.

So what would they say?

What they would say, I think, and I don't know whether, and tell me whether I've misunderstood this and whether Jacob Rees-Mogg said something different.

So here are the arguments that they'd make.

First argument, I think they'd say, it wasn't all about the economics.

It was about sovereignty and control.

So they'd say it's no accident that actually Dominic Cummings' campaign was

take back control.

They would say probably on the economics and anyway, the economic data is clouded by the massive impact of COVID, the Ukraine war and all this sort of thing.

It makes it quite difficult to count.

So what are you all about?

Absolutely.

Which is what we got from James Cleverley.

European economy is not doing so well.

So I was going through a little checklist and I think...

The argument doesn't quite work because fundamentally, the problem of Brexit is on the Singaporean Thames, there was never any public willingness to exploit those kinds of opportunities.