Rory Stewart

His techno-feudalism book is genuinely interesting.

And I think these books that he's written, you know, writing to his daughter, apparently he's really pissed off that he styled the whole book as a letter to her without actually telling her he was doing it.

And then one to his father, as you said.

And he's now written a book also about the five most important women in his life and what he learned from them.

So he's got an interesting kind of quirky...

academic, economic mind.

I think also he is... I wouldn't necessarily agree with everything he says, certainly not about the Labour government in the UK, of which I was such a proud part.

But I think he's somebody who does have this capacity to explain really...

quite complicated stuff in a simple way.

And I love the fact that he said game theory is your first question, pretty much.

One of the first serious questions we did was, you know, how do you use game theory in political and real life?

He basically did, do not touch it with a barge pole.

Well, it was interesting how he said that he clearly feels a lot of people that he knew who went into politics

lost their bearings, lost their moral compass.

I think because he was there for such a short time, it was a few months that he was a high-profile politician.

I mean, he's still in politics, but the party he created, I think they got eight MPs, nine MPs first time around, and then they got none.

I think he's an outsider.

I think he's better as an outsider.

But he's a very, very he's a charismatic guy and he's a clever guy and he's a clear communicator.

But, yeah, I think he's I think he's more comfortable being outside than inside politics.