Rory Stewart

And he said, well, he smoked pot when he was a student.

And then when he was in Australia, he was once out at some – it was a Kylie Minogue concert, and somebody gave him an ecstasy pill, and he took it, and it meant he could dance for 16 hours.

He's now been charged sort of decades later, and he said this was announced –

I mean, this makes you worry.

We had the interview with Mitsotakis.

I think we both found Mitsotakis very impressive, modern European leader.

But this was like ministers were going out on television saying that he had to be charged for promoting drug use.

And he has now been indicted.

And also, he said that he described the current government.

He said what Mitsotakis has done essentially is...

It's like Badenoch basically hoovering up reform.

Mitsotakis has given some of his far-right positions in the cabinet, including some of the positions, some of these guys that have gone out and said he should be prosecuted.

So I said to him, well, look, do you think if Badenoch or another Tory leader and Farage ended up running a coalition government after the next election here, do you think this kind of thing would happen?

He said, absolutely.

And he said, look at America.

Anyway, there we are.

I think he's a very interesting guy.

I last saw him in...

We were at the same event in Australia and he has got a bit of a kind of

He's got a global following now, partly because his books are genuinely interesting.