Rory Stewart

And inequality is growing the whole time.

It's sort of hard to know where the next –

the next great ism is going to come from.

Yeah.

And he was honest about that.

The other thing we didn't really, it was a very long interview and I enjoyed it.

There were a few things we didn't get into.

I didn't get into any, we didn't really get into what it must be like.

I mean, I was involved in some pretty big

Kind of sometimes scary positions and situations and things going wrong.

But to be plucked out of kind of academic economist and you are suddenly sitting in the middle of what must have felt like kind of existential threat to your whole country.

It must have been an incredible rollercoaster.

I mean, and the thing about him having the referendum and winning and then getting out because Cyprus was so pressured into doing something that they'd fought against.

I mean, God, what a journey that must have been.

He then took them on, though.

He then took them on through the courts and I think won.

I don't know what sort of compensation he got.

He won.

But the other thing that's happening to him now, before you came on, Rory, we were chatting about the fact, again, we didn't have time to go into this, but we were chatting about the fact that he did an interview with some young ravers, as he called them,

And they asked him, and he said it's the first time he'd ever been asked whether he'd ever taken drugs.