Rory Stewart

And yet, very interestingly, as you keep pointing out...

Farage is actually not very damaged.

This is all so weird.

So he remains very popular.

Popular.

I would delete the very and say quite with some people.

More popular than most of the other leaders, given what he delivered.

I mean, given all that.

I mean, I agree with you on all of that.

And there is still a sort of fondness for Boris Johnson out there in the country that you sometimes encounter.

People think he's funny.

Yeah.

Yeah, I found it on the train on my way up to Cumbria.

And Dominic Cummings, I was talking to someone yesterday, absolutely on our side, but the cliche with Dominic Cummings, they repeat again and again, is he may be a bit radical, but my goodness, he's right about a lot of things.

And the general, he's managed to reposition himself.

It's this kind of profit on technology, defense, the civil service, et cetera.

Michael Gove, you just mentioned, he did a whole podcast, Laying Into Us, in which basically the thesis of the podcast is, why is Dominic Cummings more right than we are about things?

The story was because Dominic Cummings is such a brilliant historian and so much cleverer than we are, et cetera.

Actually, it wasn't so much clever.

It's because he has a different form of intellectual education.