Rory Stewart

We could cut taxes massively.

We could bring in global wealth.

We wouldn't need to worry about state aid rules, so we could do an enormous investment program where we could bet the house on certain kinds of things.

We don't need to worry about fiscal rules, etc.

So that'd be the story.

What would be your response to that?

It was really interesting.

You're right.

Normally he's super cautious.

And this is Peter O'Bourne criticizing you about Iraq.

So he'd come prepared to attack Alistair Campbell.

Okay, let me try another argument against Jacob Rees-Mogg, which is... Oh, good, you're back on my side.

Okay, back on your side again.

Which is that actually the fundamental problem is...

is that this vision of Singapore on Thames misunderstood what kind of country Britain is, that actually the British public, including most of the red wall Brexit voters, are not actually up.

for our low tax, highly deregulated.

I mean, let's look at the actual debates.

What could you have done by leaving the European Union?

Well, you could have said, we don't need to waste billions of pounds meeting EU water standards.

We can put poo into our lakes.