Rory Stewart

G20 is nearly 80% of the world economy.

It includes China, Russia, India, Turkey.

And if you were going to deal with climate, 80% of the world economy, 90% of the world emissions, it's the G20 that matters.

Well, I've been talking to people who were at COP, and they produced a great line from one of your Dutch footballers saying this was a game that they couldn't win, but the important thing was that they shouldn't lose.

It was the famous Dutch football.

Johan Cruyff?

I think it was Cruyff, yeah.

Is that a line that you associate with Cruyff?

I don't know.

Tell me it again.

Probably it works better in Dutch.

I think the idea was this is a game we can't win, but our objective in this game is to make sure we don't lose.

So the idea here was that we couldn't come out of the COP with anything substantial, but the worst case scenario was America would completely torpedo the system

more countries would walk out of the climate process.

They got to the end of it with America being the only country that's actually walked out.

Everybody else is still part of it.

But that said, my goodness, things are going wrong.

I mean, if you look back to the sort of optimism of Paris or even Glasgow,

We've been through these very eccentric locations for COPs.

You remember we've been through Shah Murshid, we've been through Dubai, we've been through Azerbaijan.