Rory Stewart

You're right.

Normally he's super cautious.

And this is Peter O'Bourne criticizing you about Iraq.

So he'd come prepared to attack Alistair Campbell.

Okay, let me try another argument against Jacob Rees-Mogg, which is... Oh, good, you're back on my side.

Okay, back on your side again.

Which is that actually the fundamental problem is...

is that this vision of Singapore on Thames misunderstood what kind of country Britain is, that actually the British public, including most of the red wall Brexit voters, are not actually up.

for our low tax, highly deregulated.

I mean, let's look at the actual debates.

What could you have done by leaving the European Union?

Well, you could have said, we don't need to waste billions of pounds meeting EU water standards.

We can put poo into our lakes.

We can save all that money and we can put it into something else.

You could say,

Listen, now that we've left the European Union, we can cut our tax rates down to the very minimum.

We can get rid of all the workers' protection.

We can get rid of all that stuff because we really can become American Singaporeans.

But the problem that they face is that

all the polling suggests there is almost no support amongst the public.