Rory Stewart

As we enter particularly a world of AI, we become very, very conscious on the fact that we have critical dependencies on China, but we also have extraordinary critical dependencies on the US.

Cloud computing is

AI, defense equipment, the dollar, global payment systems.

How would a country like Britain over 10 or

15 years, think about not achieving total sovereignty.

You can never achieve that, but a little bit more choice, a little bit more hedging, a little bit more independence.

So we're not in the position we felt we were in with Greenland, which is we are completely over about.

Well, I'm so sorry to hear about your wife.

And we look forward to the book.

Final one from me, AI.

I mean, given that I think we both agree that this could probably transform everything very, very quickly, our economies, public services, defense, maybe three, five years, the world will be almost unrecognizable.

Why are so few politicians campaigning on this issue and making it central?

I mean, if I'm right, that in five years' time, the whole world's going to look completely different.

We're going to look back at these political debates and go, what the hell were they talking about?

They're still stuck in the 1980s.

Yeah, I'm...

I was out by then.

But as you know, my cunning plan when I was running for leadership was I thought me and Cleverley together might have had a chance of beating Boris.

It didn't work out.

Listen, what did you make of Cleverley?