Rory Stewart

We're going to be spending probably 18% or even perhaps a quarter of our entire defense expenditure just on our nuclear weapons.

The new generation of submarines, the new generation of nuclear weapons.

And that's essentially a bet that says our biggest single guarantee against Russia invading us is that we have these nuclear weapons that we can fire.

So that would be a military that spent an enormous amount of nuclear weapons and then had some special forces and cyber.

Second type of army you could get, well, a sort of Ukraine-European land army.

And that would involve Britain maybe having some tanks, but would certainly involve it having massive stockpiles of missiles.

We've got some exquisite missiles, but we've got very few of them.

Some of them we've given to Ukraine, many of them we haven't bought.

We don't have good surface-to-air protection.

So if you wanted to get yourself in a position for a Ukraine-style war, you would have to buy it.

an enormous number of things from tanks to missiles, which we basically weren't planning for since 1989 because we assumed there wasn't going to be another European war.

The third thing is to keep doing what we were talking about through the 90s, 2000s, 2010s, which is global Britain

And that's aircraft carriers, that's heading off to the Pacific, that's playing around with orcas, that's deployable expeditionary forces.

We almost certainly can't afford even one of those.

We definitely can't afford all three.

And it's in the middle of this that John Healy has found himself back over to you.

Just a footnote from here.

So I'm in Cumbria.

And I was speaking to some people up on the train, and then I was speaking to a company in Frontier, all of whom were from the right, very much on the right.

UKIP voting, reform voting.