Rory Stewart

And their immediate response was, oh, John Healy, I thought he was the good guy.

He was the one that we liked.

And the reason I just wanted to say that is that it's a reminder of something that Keir Starmer could have done, but decided not to do.

And it's a bit surprising that he didn't.

which is to lean into labor being the patriotic party of defense.

Look, you can have an argument with the Treasury, and that's just where I'm afraid Rachel Reeves tends to get stuck, which is the Treasury will be saying, as it's always said, ooh, are you sure you need all that money?

Are you sure you're spending it in the right way?

Your procurement's very expensive.

Why are you not buying cheaper drones?

Do you really need to build this new aircraft system now?

Can't you wait till 2045?

There are many more productive things we could do with the money if you're trying to kickstart the economy.

So all that stuff.

But you could imagine a different world in which a different type of leader would say, not having that conversation.

I understand it's a lot of detailed points, but broadly speaking, we're in a different world.

Putin, Trump, we're going to spend more on defense, and we're going to be generous, and we're going to get ahead of this.

Why do you think they didn't do that?

Just quickly on this, let me sort of push it once more.

So I think if you ask the question, do a big review, pull in very high profile people like George Robertson, the NFL, Richard Barron.

And they come up with a recommendation.