Rosa Lewis

They say that the aim is to have a, like a nice kind of conference meeting of the aspects and the sovereign can listen to all of the aspects and choose a way forward from there so that they're all present and all available.

Yeah, I guess everyone knows sadness.

And I think a lot of people know what sadness is.

feels like to feel when you're disconnected from the world and it feels pretty bad and you don't want to feel sad sacred sadness is really feeling sad and feeling connected and feeling that sadness is a deep connective force that connects you more deeply to yourself to the world to others can open your heart can make you realize what's important in life and the reason it's

first is because I found that with working with people, it's like opening to grief and specifically grief that has a connected feel to it.

It's like, that's a kind of prerequisite for opening to anything mystical.

There's a kind of like openhearted, like willingness to be moved by life and the feeling that that is beautiful

There's not a kind of control where I'm only orienting towards good stuff.

In Buddhist terms, it's like, you know, the craving and aversion of just trying to make things different, trying to get to the good stuff, avoid the bad stuff.

And when people can sort of get a bit of a flavor of sacred sadness or just opening to their grief more and like feeling safe in that and like, ah, it's actually, this can be beautiful.

This can be, it's still sad and it's meaningful and it's, then that just opens up a doorway for something positive.

Yeah, a kind of presence with less of that craving and aversion happening.

Yeah.

Yeah.

couple of things that help people with it is i think in the book i say open my heart requires an equal measure of beauty and heartbreak or something like that and i think art can be a way to do this in a way that's safer so i recommend one of the exercises is listening to sad music and having a cry or also watching a sad film can do it just something where there's like

That feeling of like the beauty of it is still present as well.

It can be a way for people to sort of like ease in if they want to sort of dip their toes in the water a bit more with it.

I guess there's like that moment of just when you're having a cry.

There's a sort of moment of like, if I open to this, I'm just going to get so overwhelmed by like the depths of this sadness.

It's kind of like you really let go and you're just...