Ross Douthat

Yes.

But I just want to start by getting something immediate from you about the situation in Minneapolis.

We're taping this on Wednesday.

It's about a week out from when Renee Good was shot and killed.

Can you just describe what you see as the current dynamic on the ground, both with ICE agents and with protesters?

How many people do you think are involved in the different kinds of protests?

So what is COPAL?

Tell me, what does the organization do in normal times?

And what about immigration work, again, prior to the current protests?

Obviously, there was immigration enforcement in Minneapolis before the current wave, right?

If somebody called your helpline having been taken into custody by ICE four years ago, would you have done something?

Okay.

Give me just a little bit of your own biography.

You're from El Salvador originally.

Tell me your story of coming to the United States.

How did you cross the U.S.

border specifically?

Okay.

But you just sort of carefully walked straightforwardly across.

And so what happened then in terms of your legal status?