Ross Douthat

involved in some kind of ongoing operation, and you want to behave as if it is a dangerous situation.

So I'm curious what your reaction is to what you saw in those videos.

I guess I'm just curious about, as someone who trains protesters, right, you know, we don't know for certain exactly the details of what she was trying to do or what her partner was trying to do.

But they did seem to be acting, you know, they're interacting with the officers, they're filming them and so on, right?

And...

I'm just wondering how you – when you talk to people in the aftermath of something like that, like how focused are you on making sure that protesters behave with caution?

So don't, so right, so using cars for protests is a bad idea.

Are there any other groups out there that are doing this kind of things that you're worried about?

I ask this because, again, these things are uncertain.

But one of the claims was that Rene Good had been involved with a group called Ice Watch.

And if you go online, you can find images from their alleged training that are very different from your own, right?

That are, you know, sort of encouraging people potentially to intervene online.

When they see, you know, when they see arrests being made and so on, like, do you have a sense that there's kind of a range of different activist strategies?

Are those groups outliers?

What do you think is going on?

I want to ask more just about specific ICE tactics, but just to underline that last point, you don't have any control over ICE, but you are in a position of training and some kind of leadership, right?

What do you do to make sure that protesters protest safely and don't make bad decisions?

How much influence can you have, do you think?

I'm curious about

In terms of – and I know you don't – we're not calling them protests.