Ross Douthat

by waiting.

But that argument, again, I guess, brings us back to questions of persuasion and mindset, right?

You're talking about a world where

medical professionals and the medical system writ large themselves have just a very different basic and fundamental attitude, right?

And also where, you know, it is true, as you say, that, you know, diagnoses are wrong and children survive and so on, but it is also the case that that is a world that sort of would accept, to a greater degree than our system does, sort of

Exactly.

That is also part of the story here, right?

And I don't want to go too far with that.

I just want to pull us back here at the end to the kind of arguments that you make.

And we, you know, I sort of...

asked you to walk through in a kind of, you know, almost like forensic debaters way, right?

The case around abortion.

Um, but the reality is that obviously this is an incredibly personal issue that is connected to people's experiences, their bodily experiences, their experience of having kids, not having kids, all of the rest of it.

And it is in the end, a,

female issue in a profound way, I think, that no man can quite fully understand.

And I gestured at this a little talking about the Republican Party, right?

But it is the case.

It is this situation right now where the Republican Party, which is the pro-life party, is a more male party.

Less female party, there is increasing political polarization of the sexes, right?

And so the pro-life movement is in a position increasingly of speaking from within a more male coalition to a female population that, for Trump-specific reasons and other reasons, is alienated from that coalition.