Ross Douthat

That is...

That is the percentage of people you need to win over.

And I just want to go through three areas of controversy and see what you have to say about them.

Start with diversity, equity, and inclusion as something that became a really big factor in scientific research, grant-making, proposals, and so on.

This has been something that you have –

pushed hard against.

So tell me why, and then I'll ask you a follow-up.

Give me an example.

But that is different from, for instance, research that is focused on diseases that disproportionately affect certain minority populations.

Or just to take an example, again, from my own experience, my wife wrote a book on the science of...

you know, the maternal transformation, right?

And something that became very clear in her research was that, you know, there's just been far more research on the male body as like the sort of fundamental form of humanity than the female body, right?

But that means then if you were trying to correct that, you would essentially be funding more research into women, reproduction, pregnancy, and so on.

But I guess – yeah, I guess that's sort of a useful question though.

Like if – because there have been reports in the Trump administration.

It's like, you know, people are going through grants and just striking out particular words and phrases and so on, right?

Next area of controversy, vaccines.

Again, you are a face of public health in the Trump era.

American vaccine uptake is declining.

Trust in vaccines is declining.