Ross Douthat

Yes.

And Unitarianism was the, you know, it was the rational faith of the future.

It was.

In 1800.

And then instead we got tent revivals, great awakenings, everything else.

Just give me some thoughts about the weirder things that you see as a student of American religion and some kind of speculation about just the weirdest thing you're keeping an eye on as a future trend.

But for traditionalist Catholicism, in whatever form, to really take over U.S.

Catholicism, you would, like everything else, you would need conversions.

For sure.

You can't do it with large seven-kid families alone, at least over a 25-year time horizon, right?

Mm-hmm.

out of the mainline denominations, who's going to make it?

Would you bet on the Episcopalians because they've hit bottom?

I think this is an interesting thing, places hitting bottom and actually benefiting from hitting bottom sooner.

Who do you bet on?

Who else would you bet on?

Which, out of the small groups in America, from Eastern Orthodoxy to non-Christian religions,

Who do you think is big in 2050, surprisingly big?

Ever again.

Ever again.