Rowan Jacobsen

You think of it as a supplement?

It's the best.

And I think it's all due to mitochondrial function.

I think it makes your mitochondria just spin, you know?

and it's particularly because of caffeine or coffee itself is the coffee bean you know i mean caffeine i think it's caffeine but i wouldn't be surprised if there's other stuff in coffee that's contributing because you know like tea doesn't seem to quite like deliver the goods like like coffee does no um but caffeine is actually um the plants are making it to kill bugs right right because it makes the bugs mitochondria run out of control and they basically like blow up um

It does that to us, but we have these other, like, governors, like, that come in and slow down that ramp up.

So we get the nice ramp up without the explosion.

So it's good.

So it makes, you know, we produce energy more efficiently with less wear and tear.

He went right back.

Yeah.

I remember that article.

It was great.

And also you said none of the like the caffeine researchers touch the stuff.

That's not good.

But yeah, he he went right back to it.

And I think he's a proud coffee drinker.

No, but I'd like to actually, I think.

They have so far really avoided.

Like, they just say, you know, we're not ready to look at any of that research.