Roxie Nafousi

If everyone liked you and you liked everyone, you can never say we have something special.

Yeah, yeah, because they get along with everyone.

And you have a lot of shallow relationships.

Yeah.

And it doesn't fuel you.

It doesn't fuel you.

I was going to ask you about that, though.

For those of us who just don't want conflict and who just don't want to get into it, someone like, oh, why can't we just have peace and like everyone?

How do you deal with that rejection, that conflict, that feeling of that person doesn't like me?

What do you do with that?

Because of course there is a feeling of, I feel rejected, I feel outed, they didn't invite me.

What do you do with that?

What do you get when you mix 1950s Hollywood, a Cuban musician with a dream, and one of the most iconic sitcoms of all time?

You get Desi Arnaz, a trailblazer, a businessman, a husband, and maybe most importantly, the first Latino to break primetime wide open.

I'm Wilmer Valderrama, and yes, I grew up watching him, probably just like you and millions of others.

But for me, I saw myself in his story.

From cleaning canary cages to this night here in New York, it's a long ways.

On the podcast starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderrama, I'll take you on a journey through Desi's life, the moments he has overlapped with mine, how he redefined American television, and what that meant for all of us watching from the sidelines, waiting for a face like ours on screen.

This is the story of how one man's spotlight lit the path for so many others and how we carry his legacy today.

You reminded me of that principle from the Buddha that's the second arrow, which is the first arrow is the rejection or the conflict.