Rudy Mawer

So funny you say that, because when I saw you were starting Legacy Makers, and I said, I got to get on the show, because we're totally aligned.

It's like helping people share how they were successful, which is going to help other people be successful too.

So yeah, absolutely.

But I think there's another level, you know, I think people forget that by helping other people, they're really helping themselves, right?

So there's Maslow's hierarchy of needs and you fulfill these certain needs, but then there's another level of self-realization where people to feel self-realized

It's helping other people, finding more purpose, finding more meaning.

And I tell a lot of the executives I talk to, at one point in your career, you have to start measuring your success by how many people of your tribe went on to become successful as well.

And that's the most important metric.

Yeah, that's right.

That's true.

There's that, there's that Zig Ziglar.

Yeah.

It's a great question.

I read a New York Times article and they're saying 81% of the U.S.

population wants to write a book.

What percent?

81%.

81%.

Right.

Don't forget, they lose a passion.