Rudyard Griffiths

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And it was all about John Quincy Adams.

Famous quote that he gave when he was Secretary of State in 1821, I believe.

And it was a warning to his fellow Americans that America does not go abroad for, you know, foreign expeditions to find conflicts with those it disagrees with.

It stays at home.

And

I think a lot of people today feel that, well, rightfully so, that America has not heeded those warnings in the past three decades and the consequence of not listening to that warning

has been disastrous.

And so to argue that resolution, we had two kind of foreign policy giants.

On one side, we had Victoria Nuland, who's had 35 years in State Department and as a career diplomat.

She actually probably had the most foreign policy experience out of everyone on stage.

No, she hasn't.

Well, she only left government about a year ago, so it was kind of nice to get that.

Yes.

And it was also nice to hear because she's been on the receiving end of a lot of criticism with regards to Ukraine and Russia.

She was quite instrumental in how America kind of led on that file back when Biden was president.

And so she's taken a lot of criticism from the likes of John Mearsheimer and Stephen Wallace.

So it was nice for her to set the record straight as she sees it, which she hasn't been able to do.

So we paired her with former Secretary of State and CIA Director Mike Pompeo.

And on the other side, we had the returning duo of John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walsh, who are since we had them in 2022, we had them for our debate on Ukraine and Russia, and they were fabulous.