Rudyard Griffiths

They've only gained more notoriety and attention in the, you know, ensuing four years, probably because Americans foreign policy or sorry, America's

the American sentiment about how their foreign policy

should be exercised has changed so much in those four years.

Yeah, so one thing I just want to...

correct you a little bit in that it is not a solo effort.

Frederick, you are very instrumental in choosing these debaters and it's certainly a group effort.

And that's something that we're very proud of.

That's not fun.

So we always try to find people who will compliment each other on stage.

And so when it comes to kind of

how we decided to go about the the con side um we felt that secretary pompeo had a lot of experience with iran and we knew that that was going to be something that was going to come up a lot we knew that obviously that was top of mind and um victoria victoria has a lot of experience on ukraine which we also knew would come up a lot so that was like a geographic

Right.

And what was really interesting is actually, as we were casting this debate, we noticed that moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats, of which were Newland and Pompeo, actually agreed more than those within their parties.

So by that we mean Pompeo and Newland see the world in a more similar way, in America's role in a more similar way than Newland.

Pompeo would see with someone who was more extreme in his party and the same with Newland.

And so that's really telling.

That's a really interesting part of how everything has evolved in America right now.

And then when it comes to John Mearsheimer and Stephen Waltz,

Right, exactly.

So we thought it would be interesting to have someone from the MAGA wing of the party to argue the America first isolationist view, which wasn't completely articulated by the John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt position.