Rudyard Griffiths

But like you said, it was just it's really interesting.

And again, this is just an observation of where we are politically.

That the preeminent thought that's kind of taking over on both the extreme right and the extreme left come with it such an odious kind of worldview that you don't feel comfortable platforming it.

But the other thing is that...

also is really interesting is, is the John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt view of America's role in the world is actually the one, even though it's not, it doesn't have, um, the, the governmental experience and credibility that the side of Pompeo and Newland has.

It's actually the ascending view.

If you look at young people today, they are relate more to the, um, the John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt view of restraint and, and, um,

America's role vis-a-vis Iran, China, Russia, and their lack of desire to go abroad to fight these wars.

I thought it so eloquently.

displayed their different views of the world.

I mean, the fact that Stephen Walt does not think Iran is a monster is very telling.

Now, also the equivalence he made to the U.S.

is very telling.

The fact that he said, well, I think U.S.

America has done bad things, but they're not a monster.

Well, a lot of people would take issue with that because they would see what America has done pales in comparison to what Iran has done.

Now, it would have been interesting to ask him, does he think Israel's a monster?

And we didn't get around to that, but that also would have been very telling.

Yes, that did come up, as we knew it would, but the nice thing was it didn't, because I think we all have a little bit of fatigue, and it didn't monopolize the debate, which was nice.

So the other thing that was also noticeable in that clip is the fact that one side of the debate has foreign policy, has lived foreign policy,