Rudyard Griffiths

and the other side observes it.

And you could tell that very, you could tell that throughout the debate, but specifically in that clip when he said, well, I've seen no evidence that Iran supported

The proxies or Hamas that invaded Israel.

Well, Victoria Nuland and Mike Pompeo know that that's true.

They've seen the intelligence.

Right.

So it's kind of sometimes easy to be critical of things and quite another to have to lead on them.

Yes, it's like Twitter come to life.

I mean, obviously less to a lesser degree, but I think people feel more passionately about politics and social issues now than they did 10 years ago.

They're more engaged now.

I don't know if this is probably a result of many things, including social media.

Is it a good thing?

Yes, but also...

It worries me a little bit.

It worries me that politics has become an entertainment in a way that it wasn't 30 years ago.

I feel like people look to politicians as their source of the day's headlines that they can go and kind of pick apart in the office.

Trump's the master of that, right?

Right.

And sometimes you just want politics to be boring.

Yeah, we have a responsibility to our audience members who bought tickets to see a debate, not to this one person who feels that it's in their right to heckle and derail it.