Rudyard Griffiths

And furthermore, if you want to engage, which we are always happy when audience members engage with our material, you're free to vote on the resolution.

That's what you have that kind of makes our debates different than other... Or as I said to the heckler, you know, whatever, like...

Yes, although I will say that every time – we always start planning our debates, like, six months in advance, and the debate we end up with has gone through, like, so many iterations and so many different debates.

Exactly.

Like, you know, we – when – what was it, two months ago that the Iran invasion happened?

That's literally when we, like, pivoted to this.

So we try to keep it as timely as possible, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

We try to make it work.

And so one we've been trying to do for so long, which is still so topical, is this trust in experts.

And I think in this day and age when podcasters now command so much of public attention, it is more relevant than ever, especially podcasters who, let's be honest, don't have a lot of experience in what they're speaking about.

For sure.

Guilty as charged.

No, I'm not referring to you.

I'm referring to the likes of a lot of people we see on the extremes of both sides.

And, you know, they just bring in guests that suit their narrative without any kind of... And the guests themselves aren't experts.

There's no rigor.

There's no guardrails.

I mean, what they would argue on the other side, and that's what I think makes a compelling debate, is that they would say, well, we've been misled.

Experts, foreign wars, the recession.

It's just they feel that people in positions of power have often are led by their own interests.