Ruslan KD

What Nathan is asking for is he wants to know what every pastor makes to the dollar if he's a giving member.

And it's just a different dynamic than in the nonprofit world, right?

And so, no, I don't think pastors need to reveal what they make.

I don't think every staff member needs to reveal what they make.

I don't think that's helpful.

I don't think when you're doing life on life for people is helpful.

People naturally are going to deal with envy and jealousy, depending on what season of life they're in, especially if you're young and you feel like the world's against you.

So I think there's transparency, but I don't need to know everything about your life.

Our church, Rhythm Church in Oceanside, you met my pastor earlier, we put out a magazine every year where you get to see exactly how much came in.

You get to see exactly where the money went.

You get to know how much was spent on staff, how much was spent on buildings.

how much we give away to missions, how much we give away to the community.

Every single thing is, but you're not going to find, you're not going to walk in and find out exactly what my pastor makes.

You're not going to find out what the admin makes.

It's lumped in as a group.

It's lumped in as a group.

Yeah, it's lumped in as a group.

And I think that...

By the way, the bigger the churches are, usually the more transparent they are because they have external audits.

They spend less money on staffing.