Ruslan KD

They spend less money on building because just sheer volume.

And they spend way more money on giving and missions and serving the community.

And if a church doesn't provide that sort of data, people have the agency to go to a different church, right?

There are churches right now, the pastor who married me and my wife,

The deacons and the elders vote on his salary.

Everything is transparent.

He has a parsonage on site next to the church.

Everything is full.

So there are churches like that.

And I would say, if you want a church like that, praise God, go find a church like that.

If you want to know where every dollar is going and you want the deacons to approve every stapler that gets bought, it's like, cool, man, might as well do it.

But when you give a, and this really happened, when you give a $20 donation to a church,

And then you email them or call them and say, hey, I want all your financial records and I want to know what your pastor makes.

I think you're a little out of pocket at that point.

And again, most bigger churches do that.

And they get external audits.

They do that.

And the funny thing is with Nate, what happened to him was awful, man.

What he went through with the pastor that mentored him and that dude being convicted of sexual assault against his own

daughter that they adopted, that rocked our entire region where we live.