Ruslan KD

Everyone was devastated by that because that's a good church.

I don't even want to say the name of the church, but anyone from the region knows what church I'm talking about.

That was a good church.

And the pastor was a good pastor.

And my friend there is still one of the pastors there.

And they do an amazing job of reaching the community and helping people.

And they have one of the best mental health counseling programs in the area.

That's like Christian counseling where you can go to them.

but what happened to nate and the pastor that that then committed that is is awful and it rocked our entire area but what happens is when something bad happens to you like to me as a kid we develop a schema for seeing everything through that lens so like i had a schema of like church is bad church is evil church just wants to harm me this is all bs this is all nonsense i had the same schema

And it takes a while to detangle that schema and say, well, let me not generalize and say all churches are this way.

No, this was my experience.

And what's the general data and the general consensus on it?

And when you look at the data, the data just doesn't reflect this conclusion that churches are all stealing, churches are all unethical, churches are, not all, but most.

And I think that the distinguishment is

Any abuse is bad.

Any abuse is bad.

And any abuse should be called out.

And I'll lock arms with Nate in a heartbeat and say, man, if Kenneth Copeland owns a $19,000 parsonage and like, no, that's not good, right?

But then what he's doing is now that's impacting young men who really need the church.

And now they're looking at their pastor side-eye and they're looking at the institution side-eye.