Russ Hawkins

It's, it's, it's a problem from my perspective with the, with, uh, you know, multiple venture investors that have, you know, conflicting objectives within their own funds.

Um, I think we sold the company short to be honest.

And, uh,

That's right.

It was more, well, maybe not 15X, but we sold sub five and I think we should have gotten more like eight.

Well, so they weren't all equal, right?

The initial money that I raised back in 2008, that particular investor was very supportive and very, very interested in continuing to do what needed to get done.

And then in subsequent rounds, we brought in additional voices and additional people.

So next stage was the, the original investor in the business before me, the other guys that basically hired me.

And then I brought, and then I brought next day, I brought a granted in.

And then, um, you know, the, the later, the later people, one was a kind of a family office had a different, different set of perspectives.

And then, uh,

And then the last one to learn to to join was the the one that wanted to move more quickly in terms of an exit.

Now, Russ, I'm with them anyway, so I'd rather not.

No, no, no.

Wellington was a debt provider.

Well, because I guess I just blew it.

I mean, I didn't do it.

I misinterpreted what they were at the time.

And they told a good story about what they were and what their whole period was and what they wanted to do.