Russell Crowe

How many sorties, right?

Do that multiplication, add 10% for me.

Well, I mean, look, you're surrounded by –

Guys that have a sort of a fanatical mindset, you know, you're going to want to be awake.

Yeah.

You don't want to fall asleep at the wrong time if that's the group of people that you've surrounded yourself with.

And that's the thing that I keep saying.

It's an old cliche, but I think it's something that he really learned.

You know, if you lie down with dogs, you're going to get fleas, Herman.

But I think him cleaning up by being forced – by being in a prison environment, being forced by the allies to go cold turkey nearly killed him.

He had sort of heart problems because he went from 40 or 50 a day to nothing.

So – but that clarity of thought that he had –

after being clean for six or nine months when the trial starts, that became dangerous because now he's sort of got his faculties back and he's intent on...

breaking down this whole idea of international law as as being ridiculous that you know he's a man who served his country he's still in a uniform he's still like a a military guy so he's quote-unquote following orders yeah and you know they were a democratic democratically elected government who then step by step dismantled democracy once they were in power

Yeah, it's not comfortable.

It's not comfortable.

But that pain's part of the kick, you know?

Yeah.

It really is.

And you sort of learn to accept it.