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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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How are you, sir?
Good to see you. Yeah, good to see you.
Nice to see you, man.
Your movie's great.
Thank you very much. When does it come out? In the United States, it comes out November 7th. And then various dates over the next month and a half or so around the rest of the world.
It's a fucking heavy movie, man.
Yeah.
It's a heavy movie. Yeah. The trial, that footage, was that all real footage, the Holocaust footage?
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Chapter 2: When does the movie 'Nuremberg' come out?
Here's a court case. Here's yet another courtroom drama procedural or whatever. So I can imagine that people would see that and go, well, this might not be an exciting watch or something. But he sort of puts the audience in this position where he allows them to start to be amused by some of the things that are going on and the interpersonal relationships.
And, you know, when the commandant of the prison has to call up his two top mental health experts and dress them down for getting into a fistfight, things like that, kind of it's there's a charm to it. And then he gets you into the courtroom and he locks the door. And he goes, now you're going to see what we're talking about.
So I think it's a very interesting film device to disarm people before he starts giving them the real juice, you know.
Yeah. It's also a fascinating psychological tape from the psychiatrist, from Kelly's perspective, because the way he's describing all human beings, that all human beings are capable of these horrific acts.
Chapter 3: How does the film 'Nuremberg' handle its heavy subject matter?
Yeah.
And that's the thing that was a very unpopular take at the time, actually led to his removal from the process because he wasn't fulfilling what the War Department wanted him to say, which is, you know, all Nazis are crazy, you know, ruled by a madman, and this is a unique experience. But that's not what he found. And sitting down talking to the 22...
major Nazi sort of names that he was assigned to post-war, he realized that every single one of these people was, you know, was normal. Well, there was a couple that were pretty out there. But, you know, for the most part, he was dealing with rational men.
Yeah, that's what's scary.
How the hell did they end up making this series of decisions if they're rational men?
Well, it just seems like things just get pushed slowly but surely into this unbelievably horrific place. Right. Like it starts off – it's just a war. It starts off Hitler's in power and then slowly but surely things get pushed.
Incrementally. Yes. And that's the thing that's difficult because – Gigantic jumps, we can all read. But little incremental changes. The boiling of the frog. Just how you take away this person's rights, that person's personal power, and slowly you get to a point where the average person then turns around and goes, how did we get to here? I thought it was about something else.
There's a smoke screen going up, and I thought we were doing that. And as it turns out, it's very different.
Yeah, that's one of the scariest aspects of human beings is our ability to dehumanize others, to turn others into something less than us. Right. Non-human, an other. Right. Humans with families, with mothers and fathers and children.
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Chapter 4: What psychological insights are revealed about human behavior in 'Nuremberg'?
So you have that version of the game, which is very short. It can happen in an evening. Then you have a one-day game, which maybe starts in the afternoon, finishes by 8 or 9 at night. But then you have the test match. And this is what I grew up with. It's sort of been dialed down a little bit now because they brought in shorter forms of the game.
But the test match is between two countries and it's played over five days. And the idea is that both teams have to bat and bowl twice. And the result will be whatever it is at the end of five days.
Five days.
Five days, man. Five full days. And they start, and then they have morning tea, and then they have another break. They have lunch, and then they have afternoon tea. And if it's really hot every now and then, somebody will walk out and give them drinks. It's very civilized. My cousin Martin was a great cricket player. He was the captain of New Zealand.
My other cousin Jeffrey was also a captain of New Zealand. So I kind of grew up in a cricketing family, and it was one of the pathways for me that was potentially play cricket. But when you've got two of your cousins who are as good as they were, it's a very crowded room.
So how am I going to make any kind of statement here when one of them, Martin, at his peak, he was called by Sports Illustrated, I believe, the Michael Jordan of world cricket. Wow. He was a very dominant player in his day. And he used to call, we used to discuss test matches as the gentleman's war. Because you have a defined space. You have X amount of players.
And you've got to stop that little ball in this gigantic 180-meter by 120-meter oval. You've got to stop that little red ball from going between the players and therefore preventing the batsman from scoring runs. But that five-day game, the way that it ebbs and flows, once you're into it, it's the only way you want to watch cricket.
Because it's like, you know, at one moment, your team can be just so far ahead. You're like, just, you know, and then it'll turn on a dime. And day two, things get really dark for your team. Day three, you got an edge back again. Day four, it's fantastic, man. And as a kid, I used to go and attend every day of a five-day game. Yeah, it was crazy.
Yeah, there's nothing like that here.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of media consolidation on public opinion?
We've got way too much power in the hands of media moguls.
Yeah.
And as we go on, that reduction of opinion just keeps happening. One company swallows another, swallows another. I think we're in a situation now in America, right, when 20 years ago there was two dozen major media companies or 30 years ago. And now it's three.
Chapter 6: How does independent media impact corporate news coverage?
Yeah. And just like with the share market and the biggest companies in the world, they end up owning each other. So it's not three big companies. It's really just one with three different names.
Yeah. And they decide what the news is. It's nuts. But that's the one beautiful thing about today is that independent media takes up the slack and often gets more views than, you know, air quote, mainstream corporate media. And so now corporate media is forced to report on things eventually.
Like the New York Times is forced to report on certain things that are inconvenient eventually where they would have just like to have ignored it. But it gets so big in the zeitgeist that it has to become something that's discussed. And that's fascinating because it's like dragging them into the reality that the internet lives in, which is a reality of a free exchange of information.
The whole horizon of television is just so dramatically different now. So different. You know, I get to a hotel and I'll scroll through 160 available channels. There's nothing I'm interested in watching. It's like how is that even possible?
It's also watching something that's already going. Like it starts at 7. Why? Why? Why doesn't it start whenever I sit down? This is stupid. Like you have an old model. This model's dumb. It's like radio versus podcast, the same kind of thing. It's like no one wants to have to be listening, sitting in their car waiting for you to finish a sentence.
They want to hit pause, go do whatever the fuck they're doing, come back and play again. This is a dumb way you're doing things. You're doing things on 8 p.m.
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Chapter 7: What challenges do actors face when portraying complex historical figures?
It's Mikey and the boys. See, I never had that life. The last time I remember that being a thing, is maybe in high school, right? Where my mom and dad, well, my mom particularly, would like to watch Dallas. So we would all get together and watch Dallas at 8 o'clock or whatever on a Tuesday or whatever. And that just doesn't... It just hasn't happened in my life at all anymore.
The last time it happened, I think for me, was The Sopranos on HBO. Because it was on, I believe it was on Sunday nights. And everybody knew what time it was on. And you'd go home. I had a TiVo back then. You remember those? Well, you could record shows and go back and watch them later and pause them and stuff like that. And it was like revolutionary before streaming. Oh, my God.
You could record shows and watch them whenever you want.
Embarrassingly, I've only ever seen maybe four or five Sopranos episodes. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And every time I watch it, I go, I cannot believe that I didn't get overtaken by this at the time. Because Gandolfini was a mate. I met him like early 90s in New York. Him and a friend of mine called Lenny Lofton used to rent a place together on 44th and 9th in Hell's Kitchen.
And this is like an apartment on maybe the fourth floor of a building. And there were a couple of windows they didn't even have glass in. They had like plastic sheets and a blanket nailed up against the window. And that's what, you know, the situation that Gandolfini was in when I first met him. Wow. And a few years later, he was obviously very successful. But my youngest son, Tennyson.
is like a Sopranos expert. You can say a line to him and he'll know what episode, what season, and who said that.
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Chapter 8: How do personal experiences shape an actor's preparation for a role?
Wow. It's like he's so into it. And when I have started watching, very recently actually, some ducks landed on a pool on the farm.
So I took a photo and there was like thousands of comments, whatever it was, straight away going, ah, it's like Tony Soprano.
I had no idea what people were talking about. I had to discuss it with my son because this sequence, so I watched that sequence with the ducks. But Gandolfini, man, what a great actor he was.
What a great characterization he was. He was so good on that show. It was the first guy who was essentially the hero of the show, who was a murderer. A murderer, a terrible person, a mob boss, and you liked him.
Right.
It was insane. The fact that he had the depth to pull off that, where he's doing horrible things to people and you're rooting for him. You're rooting for him. You're not hoping he gets shot.
You want Tony to live. Who's that guy that you have on here every now and then? Joey Diaz? Yeah. Yeah, he's a funny guy.
Oh, he's the funniest guy that's ever lived.
I heard him tell that story one time about the same week that Cinderella Man came out, I went to the premiere of Longest Yard.
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