Russell Crowe

My two sons, yeah.

Because my youngest boy, I think I told you, he became obsessed with you and listening to your stuff for a while.

And you became one of his sort of points of education.

Yeah.

So that's why I started listening to you because I wanted to know what he was hearing.

And after listening a few times, I was like, you know what, man?

It's cool.

Because, again, we'll use that word.

You do actually have the allowance for nuance.

And that's the greatest thing about this situation.

We sit down to talk.

We're going to be talking for a couple of hours.

So I don't have to reduce everything I want to talk to you about to make it pop in three minutes.

So we are taught, for example, to regard Gaddafi in a certain way.

But if you look into what happened in his country while he was the leader, you look into the fact that every person is given a house at a certain age.

You look at the fact that everybody's education and health care is free.

You look at if somebody showed a particular talent for something that required further education overseas, all of the costs of that were paid for by the government.

Now, these are all things put in place by the same country's leader that we're told is evil and corrupt.

So it doesn't quite balance.

Well, what he was trying to do, as far as I understand the situation, is he was trying to unite Africa.